Clarify my thinking on two stats

[PeteX]

Just to clarify my thinking for the couple of stats:

a) Fold to F CBet in non-3Bet+ Pot
- Villain is facing a CBet meaning the he can never be the one with the final aggression preflop. But as we are talking about a CBet, there has to be someone who saw the flop and WAS aggressive preflop And as the Pot is non-3Bet+ preflop, it can be at most 2Bet, hence the pf-aggressor is the only one that could have done the raise.

So basically this tells us that how often a player is going to be giving up the pot on the flop when he called/checked preflop and didn't make a single aggressive action. There is no way the player could have made an aggressive action preflop due to the fact the there could have only been a single raise preflop and he couldn't have done it. So this stat is good at identifying such players that like to limp a lot preflop but if get raised, play pretty much fit-or-fold-game on the flop.

b) Fold to F CBet in 3Bet+ Pot
- There were multiple raises preflop so the player COULD have made the first raise if someone 3Bet his raise and he then called OR he could have made a 4Bet but someone must have 5Bet after him then which is unlikely as that would be pretty much allin. It could also be that someone raised initially and player 3Bet but someone else then 4Bet and player called. It could still be that there was a raise + 3Bet, both from some other villains and player just cold-called the 3Bet but didn't do any aggressive action and then he folds to a cbet.

So basically this tells us how eager the player is to let go of the pot when he MIGHT have been aggressive preflop but might have also limped but he never was the final aggressor. So this stat would almost be good at identifying players that have a tendency to be aggressive preflop but also play fit-or-fold on the flop if they happen to run into stronger aggression preflop. It would just need to be modified a bit to remove the times the player limped preflop.

Agreed, or do I have a flaw in my logic?

[kraada]

(a) Yes this is only in situations where a player called a preflop raise. It could be either in position (as a cold call) or in the blinds. Both would count for this stat. (You can never check preflop and face a continuation bet.)

(b) You are correct that any combination of preflop actions could happen here - he could have raised and called (which is most likely) or called and called (say if there was a squeeze) or he could have limped and called and called or limped and called. Or any number of things for 4bet and higher pots. However, if you examine the actual results in real world scenarios you'll see that raise/call in 3bet pots and 3bet/call in 4bet pots are almost certainly your most common two spots. The limp multi-way reraised pot just doesn't come up that much.